Jesus vs. Yeshua

The Name YeshuaBy: The FGT Team    Faith, Grace, and Torah

One of the more common accusations any Hebrew Roots Ministries encounter is the familliar: You HATE Jesus and follow a false christ which we are warned about. Of course there are fringe groups in any movement and no one will deny that there are some who do believe that “Jesus” is the Antichrist and that his name is connected to paganism. But that is simply not true for the majority of believers and followers of Y’shua. First we have to acknowledge the fact that the name Jesus is an english transliteration of the Greek Iesus. Is there anything wrong inherently with the name Iesus? Is there any place we can find the name Iesus before the time of Y’shua? Yes! The septuagint which was translated around the 3 century BCE used the transliteration Iesus for the name Joshua in the Old Testament.

Iesus was simply the natural transliteration of the name Y’shua. Unless we wish to claim that there was a conspiracy in place from the 3rd century BCE to give our saviour a pagan name, this argument is fruitles and should be avoided at all costs.

Is there anything really wrong in saying “Jesus”? Of course not. But if you know his name is Y’shua wouldn’t you want to call your Savior by his true name? Jesus has no meaning but Y’shua does!

Mat 1:21 And she will bear a son and she will call his name Y’shua, for he shall save his people from their sins.

Most importantly the name of Y’shua carries a deep meaning that Jesus does not. A meaning that points us right back to our Heavnly Father.

yehôshûa‛

BDB Definition:

Joshua or Jehoshua = “YHWH is salvation”

How beautiful! Why wouldn’t you want to call upon the name of Y’shua!

More importantly though, besides the pronounciation of Iesus/Jesus vs Y’shua is what the word “name” really means. The word translated as name is in Hebrew:

H8034

שׁםshêm

BDB Definition:

1) name

1a) name

1b) reputation, fame, glory

Notice that the word Shem (Name) besides meaning a physical name also means Reputation, Fame and Glory . There is something very important then to realize here. When we profess to be believers in Jesus or Y’shua we are speaking of his reputation his fame his glory his authority.

And this is where we start to divide Jesus from Y’shua. Again there is nothing wrong with the name Jesus BUT what Jesus has come to represent is what matters. The Jesus preached to us from the modern pulpit has a different reputation, fame and glory than the Y’shua who preached to us 2000 years ago.

Let’s examine what Jesus or Y’shua was prophesied to do:

Isa 42:1  Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. Isa 42:2  He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. Isa 42:3  A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. Isa 42:4  He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. 

Isa 42:21  The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness’ sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Jer 23:5  Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.  Jer 33:15  In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. 

We all are aware of the Suffering Servant aspect of the messiah (Isaiah 53) but have we really been taught these verses from the pulpit?

Notice that Messiah is to bring Judgement and Justice. He is specifically mentioned as Magnifying the law (Torah) and the isles will wait for his Law (Torah).

The last book of the Old Testament, Malachi, tells us this:

Mal 4:2  But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. Mal 4:3  And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts. Mal 4:4  Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.  Mal 4:5  Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: Mal 4:6  And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Malachi tells us to Remember the law of Moses? For some this may very well be the first time they have seen any of these verses.

Is this what we have been taught? Does this description line up with what the Jesus or Y’shua of 2000 years ago taught? Mat 5:17 Do not think that I have come to loosen Torah or the Prophets. I have not come to loosen but to fulfil them. Mat 5:18 For truly I say to you that until heaven and earth pass away not on Yodh or one stroke will pass from Torah until everything happens. Mat 5:19 All who loosen, therefore, from one (of) these small commandments and teach thus to the sons of man, will be called little in the Kingdom of Heaven, but all who do and teach this will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.   (AENT) So far Y’shua or Jesus from 2000 years ago seems to be reaffirming the message of the Old Testament..  Did he ever Magnify the law? Mat 5:27 You have heard it has been said that you should not commit adultery. Mat 5:28 But I say to you that all who that looks at a woman as lustfully at once has committed adultery in his heart. Mat 5:29 And if your right eye stumbles you, pluck it out and cast it from you, for it is better for you that one of your members should perish and not all of your body be thrown into Gehenna. Mat 5:30 And if your right hand stumbles you, cut it off and cast it from you for it is better for you that one of your members should perish and not all of your body be thrown into Gehenna.   So far so good! Here our Messiah is definitely Magnifying the law, making it more spiritual and writing it on our Hearts (See Jeremiah 31:31).

So we see that Messiah has still not changed a single thing from his Fathers law. Why is that important? Because elsewhere we read of His law: Deu 5:29  O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments  always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever! Psa 89:34  My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. 

Deu 13:1  If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

Deu 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

Deu 13:3  Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Deu 13:4  Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

Deu 13:5  And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.  So we can notice that Gods law was meant to be Eternal, and that even if a prophet or dreamer of dreams arose who could do amazing things but taught against the law or taught different commandments he was a FALSE PROPHET.

It is very important to understand this concept.  This is why Jesus or Y’shua himself says: Joh 7:16 Y’shua answered and said, “My teaching is not mine, rather it is of He who has sent me.” (AENT) 

Jesus understood that everything he taught must be in line with what was already written! So with all that in mind does the modern pulpit version of “Jesus” match the description that we have found?  Let’s see some typical protrayals of “Jesus” from some mainstream Christian websites:

None of the Old Testament law is binding on us today. When Jesus died on the cross, He put an end to the Old Testament law

http://www.gotquestions.org

The New Law is a law of love, a law of grace, a law of freedom.

1985 Catholic Cathechism

(4) The Mosaic Law was an indivisible unit, and is that which was terminated by the Lord Jesus Bible.org 

Christ did not suggest here that the binding nature of the law of Moses would remain forever in effect. http://www.gotquestions.org

This is but a sampling of what is taught in mainstream Christianity today. Does this sound like the Y’shua that we read about in the Old Testament and the Y’shua that we read about in the New Testament? Or does this sound like an invention of the modern church; a walking license to sin?  It is up to each and every one of us to choose this day whom we will serve, will it be the Y’shua who came to magnify his Father’s law, to fully preach and fulfil it or “Jesus”, the figment of fleshly vain imaginations who came to do away with his Father’s perfect law and gave us different commandments, the “Jesus” who replaced a viscious Old Testament God of wrath and judgement.

Next time you come across a Hebrew Roots teacher teaching against the persona of “Jesus”, remember that most likely he is not speaking against the Name or historical figure of Jesus but rather what this “Jesus” has come to represent. The authority and glory and honor of this “Jesus”. We can only serve One God and One Messiah and this “Jesus” is in sharp contrast with the REAL Y’shua. Jos 24:15 “And if it seems evil in your eyes to serve יהוה, choose for yourselves this day whom you are going to serve, whether the mighty ones which your fathers served that were beyond the River, or the mighty ones of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But I and my house, we serve יהוה.” 

For more information about the different “images” of our Messiah, please take a look at the Article “Is it a Salvation Issue” at https://faithgracetorah.net/2013/05/23/is-it-a-salvation-issue/  

who will you serve

4 thoughts on “Jesus vs. Yeshua

  1. Yeshua is NOT the transliterated Hebrew name for Jesus

    Yehoshua/Yeshua is the transliteration of the Hebrew name we in English speak as Joshua. You all seem to ignore that the prophesy states the name is to be Emmanuel which is a direct transliteration from the Hebrew in the Old Test (not anywhere near sounding like Yehoshua) “Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US (not ‘the one who delivers’). Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.” -Mathew 1:22-25

    Emmanuel is Hebrew words combined into one: Im-anoo[with-us] El[God] Im-anoo-El ..Imanooel.. Emmanuel.

    -So how is it Joseph named him Jesus rather than Emmanuel? Yehoshua[Joshua] in no way is Hebrew wording that means ‘God with us’ and therefore the name Jesus must be “God with us” in a DIFFERENT language in order for the prophesy to be FULFILLED. Joseph used the Greek version where Zeus is the term for God, naming him Zusa = Zeus/God With Us….. Zusa/Zusas/Jesus

    Psalm 136:3

    O give thanks to the Lord of lords: .

    Psalm 136:2

    O give thanks unto the God of gods:

    Daniel 2:47 … Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods,

    …So it was common knowledge for the Old Test Jews that their God, Yoweah/Yehova, was referred to as ‘God of gods’ ‘Lord of lords’ – And in the Greek pantheon of gods the name Zeus was given to the god that was the top god, father of gods, king god, god over all the other gods same as the Jews saying God of gods and Lord of lords for their God, Yoweah/Yehova.

    In Jesus’ time Hebrew was no longer the commonly used language in general public and commerce. Greek was used, Brought to the known world by the conquest of Alexander the Great (the Hellenization). The Holy Land lies dead center of great caravan trade routes wherein people’s from all over intermingled with the local Jews, speaking in Greek. If a Jew needed a generic term when speaking to these peoples, referring to God in a language they’d understand, the obvious choice would be Zeus since, as the Jewish god Yoweah is God of gods, Zeus is the Greek version of God of gods. Jesus is Zusa[s], a conglomerate of Greek words to mean ‘God[Zeus] with us’ as Emmanuel is a conglomerate of Hebrew words that means ‘God[El] with us’.

  2. JESUS OUTRIGHT DENIED HE WAS GOD NUMEROUS TIMES
    April 7, 2014 at 3:36pm

    Ref: JESUS SAYS HIS WILL AND GOD’S WILL ARE TWO SEPARATE WILLS

    – Matthew 26:39 & Luke 22:42

    … let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as Thou wilt.

    – John 5:30

    I can of mine own self do nothing:.. I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

    – John 6:38

    For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of Him that sent me.

    Ref: JESUS DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY THAT IS RESERVED TO GOD

    – Matthew 20:23

    … but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.

    Ref: EVEN JESUS’ DOCTRINE & ‘WORD’ IS NOT HIS OWN

    – John 7:16

    Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but His that sent me.

    – John 14:24

    … and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.

    Ref: JESUS SAYS HE IS NOT EQUAL TO GOD

    – John 14:28

    … for my Father is greater than I.

    Ref: JESUS SAYS HE GOES TO HIS GOD THAT IS OUR GOD, NOT HIMSELF AS GOD

    – John 20:17

    … I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

    Ref: JESUS REBUKES ONE FOR CALLING HIM “GOOD SIR” SAYING ONLY GOD IS GOOD [SIR]

    – Mark 10:18 & Luke 18:19

    And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.There is no such term as ‘Trinity’ in the Bible. It does not say the three entities; Father, son, holy ghost, Are one in the same entity. It never says those phrases usually said, “God the son” , God the Holy Ghost”. You can’t extrapolate from what isn’t there. What part of the scripture “The Lord is One” don’t you understand?

    And how absurd it is to claim that when Jesus was praying he’d be praying to himself. A claim only by people who’s “hearts have waxed gross” and their minds they have lost. -Matthew 13:15 & Acts 28:27

    But Jesus IS the Son of God = Adam

    “Only begotten Son of God = Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. -John 1:13 = Adam Luke 3:38

    Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of ADAM, WHICH WAS THE SON OF GOD

    The God of the Christianity is supposed to be ( but claimed Christians are confused) the “God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel. “..have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err. -Mark 12:26-28

    And what is your problem with “begotten”? It doesn’t have to mean there is sex involved. If I plant a tomato plant and it brings forth some tomatoes, I have “begotten” myself tomatoes. God has “begotten” EVERYTHING.

    – Luke 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross (plus + sign/add things up), and come after me, canNOT be my disciple.

    RESPONSE AND COUNTER RESPONSESteve Etter @ Edward Schwarz you conveniently neglected the many “I AM” statements from John’s gospel and the quote, “I and the Father are one.” The Church recognized that Jesus was one of the three divine persons of the Holy Trinity. It is the Church and not private opinion that recognized the GodMan Jesus Christ so all your reasoning is not very convincing to those who accept the Church as Christ Body on earth. Who are you trying to convince? If you don’t accept His Divinity why do you have to go to such great lengths to convince us or is it really your discomfort with your denial that drives you to try to disprove something you apparently wish were not true?

    Edward Schwarz @ Steve Etter why does saying I AM a statement that indicates God? The Exodus 3.14 King James has been deliberately edited from it’s original publication that had it correctly translated “I will be that I will be”. Ask anybody that knows Hebrew. http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Names_of_G-d/YHVH/yhvh.html

    “Exodus 3.14 The phrase ehyeh asher ehyeh derives from the Qal imperfect first person form of the verb hayah: “I will be,”

    In every other instance where the Old Test Hebrew has the word ‘ehyeh’ the King James translates it correctly as “I will be”.

    You take the “I and the Father are one” out of context and figurativeness (while ignoring all those other instances that I pointed out where Jesus is direct). Jesus was not asked there if he was God. Nor was Jesus asked to show them a picture of what God LOOKS like. Jesus was asked to explain to them God’s NATURE. Jesus responded that he’d been explaining God’s nature to them all along and should’ve understood that he would know, since he and God are in total agreement/ on the same page/ of the same mindset. NOT saying he is God. – “No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath(shall) declared(explain) Him(His nature).” -John 1:18

    There is no term “trinity” in the Bible. And where it speaks of “Father, Son, Holy Ghost”, it in now way says those three entities are one in the same entity. The phrasing “God the son” and “God the holy ghost” never appears

    Jesus is the/my/our Christ NOT your church. Jesus told us/me to “Be careful lest ye be deceived” and “And whosoever doth not bear his cross (plus + sign/add things up), and come after me, canNOT be my disciple.” -Luke 14:27 So being HIS disciple and being careful requires that I (and anybody else claiming same) use the personal faculty of reason and logic. No church has the authority over how a person is to think or authority to declare what to observe and do (except he who sits in Moses’ seat).

    Lastly one does not need to accept Jesus as God/”Divinity” to accept him as the Messiah King of Israel who has the ‘Power of Attorney’ to speak on God’s behalf on earth. That is EXACTLY who and what the Messiah is and does.

    • It is also written,

      Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and HIS NAME SHALL BE CALLED Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

      Under your line of thinking, the Tenach would be contradicting itself. The attribute or the authority that means “God with us” in Hebrew is actually two words, not one, not a name.It is spelled in the Hebrew Tenach, ” עמנו אל”. “Shem”, translated as name in the passage can also mean authority, not necessarily a name.

      H8034
      שׁם
      shêm
      BDB Definition:
      1) name
      1a) name
      1b) reputation, fame, glory, authority
      1c) the Name (as designation of God)
      1d) memorial, monument

      He is by no means disqualified due to him not bearing the name “Immanuel”, and Immanu El is two words, not one, it is not a name. I will also argue that there IS a trinity in the Bible. The word for “God” in Hebrew is Elohim, which is plural to the confusion of most Jews. In the Shema, where it says, “YHVH Elohenu, YHVH echad”, the Word echad means not the number one, but a unity of many, such as a Family or team.

      H259
      אחד
      ‘echâd
      ekh-awd’
      A numeral from H258; PROPERLY UNITED, that is, one; or (as an ordinal) first: – a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any (-thing), apiece, a certain [dai-] ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.

      We are made in the image of YHVH, and we too are made of three parts, Body, Soul, and Spirit. We are one body, with many members according to Paul, or as the Shema says, “echad”. It is the same as water. It comes in three forms, solid, liquid, or gas. No matter what form it comes in, it is still H2O. Read our teaching “The Tri-Une nature of YHVH, which shows that it is NOT a Christian concept that the Messiah is what the Jews call “lesser YHVH”. It has been present in Jewish thought for many many years, so it is not a Christian only doctrine. The name Yeshua is indeed a transliteration of the name Ieasous in Greek, which was used in the Greek LXX long before Yeshua walked the Earth in the flesh. It is a form of Joshua, in our English Bibles it is Jeshua. Before the J replaced the I in all Greek based Languages in the 17th Century, in Greek, the name that means “he will save” is Iesous, again, long before Yeshua walked in the flesh.

      H3442
      ישׁוּע
      yêshûa‛
      yah-shoo’-ah
      For H3091; HE WILL SAVE; Jeshua, the name of two Israelites, also of a place in Palestine: – Jeshua.

      1Ch 24:11 The ninth to Jeshua, the tenth to Shecaniah,

      The Greek transliteration reads as such,

      1Ch 24:11 the ninth to Jesus, the tenth to Sechenias,

      The Greek word is,

      G2424
      Ἰησοῦς
      Iēsous
      ee-ay-sooce’
      Of Hebrew origin [H3091]; Jesus (that is, Jehoshua), the name of our Lord and two (three) other Israelites: – Jesus.

      The I was replaced by the J in all Greek based languages in the 17th Century. Jesus means “he will save”, the same definition of Yeshua, Iesous, Jesus. It amazes me how so many reject the things that the NT teaches and also things that the Tenach teaches to form “pet doctrines”. Learn both Greek and Hebrew better and you will see that there was no conspiracy to change the name of the Messiah Yeshua, it is simply a linguistics issue. Shalom.

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